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Japanese Baseball 'hot topic' in North America
Vancouver, B.C. (Canada) --

From the first time Hideo Nomo made his way to the mound for the Dodgers, to Ichiro hitting .429 in the A.L.C.S, Asian Baseball has continued to make huge strides in getting the respect of the North American fan of the game.

For many years, Major League Baseball in North America had long known that the Japanese Leagues have been a wonderful place to find the occasional 'diamond in the rough', but now, it seems that the fans have finally been let in on the secret.

Blame the lack of interest prior to the past couple years on the lack of media by North American outlets. But, with 'Ichiro-mania' amongst the solid play of Chan-Ho, Suzuki and Sazaki and a host of others, the Asian-Pacific rim is now a focal point of the 'who's who' in baseball circles.

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Media's Role in Popularizing Pro Yakyu in North America
[ Author: westbaystars | Posted: Feb 23, 2002 10:01 AM | YBS Fan ]

- Blame the lack of interest prior to the past couple years on the lack of media by North American outlets.

I'm afraid that I was happier when the mass media of North America wasn't spreading a bunch of false information about Pro Yakyu. It seems that everybody became an expert on Japanese baseball last year without ever having seen a Pro Yakyu game or even setting foot in Japan. I had a very low impression of the U.S. media before last year, and it actually got lower.

By the way, if the above is taken from another site, please post a URL from where you got it. While I don't respect most North American press writers, I don't believe in plagerism.
Re: Media's Role in Popularizing Pro Yakyu in North America
[ Author: Guest: Rob Fai | Posted: Apr 15, 2002 9:54 AM ]

April 14th, 2002

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FOREIGN PLAYERS SHUNNED
by: Rob Fai
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Vancouver, British Columbia (Canada) -

As the 2002 First Year Player Draft in North America draws closer to the Major League season. Many in Pro baseball circles continue to hesitate taking players of Japanese origin for concerns that lack of experience to the North American game will hamper there progress towards the Big Leagues.

Yes, the Japanese baseball circuit is closely watched by a handful of North American scouts looking for a 'diamond in the rough', but the scouts don't look for a youthful player. For the most part they are looking for a player who has alreay established himself as a star in the Japanese game.

Don Mehaan, regional scout for the Toronto Blue Jays of the American League says that although the talent may be somewhat equal to that of the North American game. The language barrier hampers the coaching efforts as the progress is slowed to a snail's like pace.

"We really do like the Japanese game. It is a condensed version of the game our fans see. However, the players that we value are the players that can intergrade themselves into the system with little problem. We like the fact that the Japanese players are humble, but in this day and age, we have little time to waste on a player coming across, and acclimatizing to a whole new world."

When asked about the differences between a Japanese import and perhaps a Central American import, Meehan had this to say on the subject.

"To be perfectly honest, the Japanese players are perfectly satisfied playing in Japan. The Japanese have great baseball and for them to come here, is sometimes not worth they're trouble. Hey, we have a great game, but they do too. Many of them don't want to come here. On the other hand, the Dominicans for example live in such poverty in comparison to both us and the Japanese, that baseball is sometimes they're only way out.

"So of course they want out, at any price. The Japanese, they are content where they are, and for us, that's fine. They develop the players, and if the situation arises that we need a proven player, then we perhaps will negotiate to do so." said Meehan.

All are valuable points, but skirt the issue of neglecting Japan's youth come draft time. Is it a waste of a selection during the draft to not take a chance on a Japanese player?

"Hey, if the kids good enough, we'll always take a chance. But in reality, we haven't developed a strong enough relationship with the Japanese to feel confident in selecting a player and feeling sure tat he will leave home to come and fulfill his selection."

Rob Fai

[Layout edited by: westbaystars on Apr 15, 2002 1:04 PM JST]

Re: Media's Role in Popularizing Pro Yakyu in North America
[ Author: Guest: null | Posted: Apr 15, 2002 12:53 PM ]

Nice source. If you intend on submitting that article elsewhere, I recommend that you run it through a copy editor before doing so.
Copy Editor
[ Author: westbaystars | Posted: Apr 15, 2002 1:23 PM | YBS Fan ]

I'm not sure what you meant by the need to go through a copy editor. I act as editor here, cleaning up HTML and fixing spelling mistakes that jump out and grab me. But I don't tend to do even that much when articles are first submitted - just after I go back and see a message again.

I've cleaned up the above submission a bit. Is that better?

My first thought when I saw the dateline of the article was that it was cut and pasted from another site - which I disapprove of. But Google searches didn't turn up anything, and the submitter claims to be the author. I know that people can lie as guests, but I have no reason to disbelieve the submission in this case.

Nonetheless, thank you for your concern. And any suggestions on how I could be a better, more efficient "copy editor" would be greatly appriciated.
Re: Copy Editor
[ Author: Guest: null | Posted: Apr 15, 2002 10:58 PM ]

My response was directed at the author -- or, at least, the poster, Rob Fai. Like I said, great article -- just found the errors a bit distracting. I made a few corrections below to illustrate my point.

As the 2002 First Year Player Draft in North America draws closer to the Major League season, many in pro baseball circles continue to hesitate taking players of Japanese origin for concerns that lack of experience to the North American game will hamper their progress towards the Big Leagues.

Yes, the Japanese baseball circuit is closely watched by a handful of North American scouts looking for a 'diamond in the rough', but the scouts don't look for a youthful player. For the most part they are looking for a player who has already established himself as a star in the Japanese game.

Don Mehaan, regional scout for the Toronto Blue Jays of the American League says that although the talent may be somewhat equal to that of the North American game, the language barrier hampers the coaching efforts as the progress is slowed to a snail's like pace.

"We really do like the Japanese game. It is a condensed version of the game our fans see. However, the players that we value are the players that can integrate themselves into the system with little problem. We like the fact that the Japanese players are humble, but in this day and age, we have little time to waste on a player coming across and acclimatizing to a whole new world."

When asked about the differences between a Japanese import and perhaps a Central American import, Meehan had this to say on the subject.

"To be perfectly honest, the Japanese players are perfectly satisfied playing in Japan. The Japanese have great baseball and coming to North America is sometimes not worth their trouble. Hey, we have a great game, but they do too. Many of them don't want to come here. On the other hand, the Dominicans for example live in such poverty in comparison to both us and the Japanese that baseball is sometimes their only way out so. The Japanese are content where they are, and for us, that's fine. They develop the players, and if the situation arises that we need a proven player, then we perhaps will negotiate to do so."

All are valuable points, but skirt the issue of neglecting Japan's youth come draft time. Is it a waste of a selection during the draft to not take a chance on a Japanese player?

"Hey, if the kid's good enough, we'll always take a chance. But in reality, we haven't developed a strong enough relationship with the Japanese to feel confident in selecting a player and feeling sure that he will leave home to come and fulfill his selection."
Re: Copy Editor
[ Author: westbaystars | Posted: Apr 16, 2002 7:50 AM | YBS Fan ]

Gee, I missed that many? Usually "there" and "their" does stand out to me, but I totally missed them this time. I think I need more sleep. Thanks for the corrections.
Foreign Player Shunned in MLB Draft
[ Author: westbaystars | Posted: Apr 15, 2002 12:55 PM | YBS Fan ]

It seems to me that another factor that holds a lot of teams back from drafting Japanese players is that they don't (yet) want to cause any friction with NPB. Once MLB starts drafting Koshien stars, you will see a lot of protectionist measures taken to keep the Japanese tallent pool from being drained.

The argument about the language barrier brought up by Mehaan-scout kind of bothers me. I mean, it tends to be easier for people to learn a new language while younger than older.

I do like to see that somebody involved with baseball agrees with me that many players will be satisfied to stay in Japan, especially at the beginning of their careers. Finally, some evidence (well, support) to back up my theory that the flood gates haven't opened as wide as most of the mainstream press seems to believe.
Re: Foreign Player Shunned in MLB Draft
[ Author: Guest: guest | Posted: Apr 16, 2002 8:59 AM ]

Japanese will have to eliminate the rule that says once a player resigns from Japanese baseball (i.e. quits to go play in America) that they can never come back. Players will want to come back after getting their fill of playing in America for a couple years, but since they can't now, they will stay. If this rule doesn't change, players will never be able to come back, and it will be a one way road to America and Japanese baseball will become a farm league for American baseball in about 10 years.
Re: Foreign Player Shunned in MLB Draft
[ Author: Guest: Jeff Matlock | Posted: Apr 16, 2002 9:34 AM ]

Time to expose my ignorance. It is my understanding that the MLB amateur draft (craftily renamed the "first-year player" draft) applies only to North American residents. Aren't Japanese, like Dominicans, signed directly?
Re: Foreign Player Shunned in MLB Draft
[ Author: CFiJ | Posted: Apr 16, 2002 12:06 PM ]

> Time to expose my ignorance. It is my understanding
> that the MLB amateur draft (craftily renamed the
> "first-year player" draft) applies only to North
> American residents. Aren't Japanese, like
> Dominicans, signed directly?

I believe Westbay-san mistakenly wrote "draft" when he meant "sign"...
Re: Foreign Player Shunned in MLB Draft
[ Author: Guest: Gary Garland | Posted: Apr 16, 2002 5:15 PM ]

I'm not sure that NPB will care particularly as an organization if MLB teams try to sign Japanese right out of college or high school. Otherwise, you wouldn't
have the Mariners and the Mets scouting Tsuyoshi Wada,
the lefty out of Waseda University who is the Tokyo Big Six Univerity League strikeout king (threw an 11 K shutout in that school's season opener), and who is likely to go in the first round of the draft in the top five or higher.

Nevertheless, that doesn't mean particular TEAMS won't be miffed, as seen in the heated exchange that Tommy
Lasorda reportedly had with Shigeo Nagashima over Hayato Terahara. But then again, there was no hue and cry when Boston signed Ryo Kumagai right out of Tohoku Fukushi University.

I have yet to see an inclination on the part of NPB officials to do what members of the Korean Baseball Organization (KBO) did, which was to send an actual delegation to MLB's offices and demand that the majors stop scouting Korean amateurs. So, at least for now, it is open season.
Re: Foreign Player Shunned in MLB Draft
[ Author: Guest: Jeff Matlock | Posted: Apr 20, 2002 4:58 AM ]

When is the Japanese professional draft?
NPB Draft
[ Author: westbaystars | Posted: Apr 20, 2002 9:21 AM | YBS Fan ]

November.
Re: NPB Draft
[ Author: Guest: Jeff Matlock | Posted: Apr 20, 2002 9:27 AM ]

Attention, MLB scouts: You have five months after these guys graduate to get them on paper. Why would NPB wait until November to conduct its draft? That makes little if any sense.
Re: NPB Draft
[ Author: CFiJ | Posted: Apr 20, 2002 4:10 PM ]

> Attention, MLB scouts: You have five months after
> these guys graduate to get them on paper. Why would
> NPB wait until November to conduct its draft? That
> makes little if any sense.

There is a logic to it. They wait until November because that's the start of the off-season. The manager of the team is heavily involved in the courting of top prospects, and he couldn't fulfill this function very well during the season.

Also, the Japanese school year begins in April and ends in March. The high school players are drafted before their actual graduation. High School Phenom Matsuzaka Daisuke, for example, threw a no-no in the Summer National Tournament final, was drafted by Seibu in November, signed sometime in late November/early December, and played in some spring exhibition games all before he officially graduated.

Besides, since MLB can attempt to sign a 16-year old prospect (with parents' permission, of course), they needn't wait until he graduates anyway.
Re: NPB Draft
[ Author: Guest: Jeff Matlock | Posted: Apr 21, 2002 12:49 AM ]

Trying to grasp this gives me culture shock. I wonder if that's also the reaction among MLB scouting staffs. Maybe Leon Lee of the Cubs, who's been Over There for 25 years, is used to the sheer differentness of it.
Re: NPB Draft
[ Author: pacific | Posted: May 10, 2002 7:19 AM ]

You should try to understand things gradually. One step at a time. See something that is different to you and then understand it a little bit. Don't try to do it all at once. I am not from japan. But in Hawaii the culture is quite multiethnic and there are some hints of Japanese, Filipino, Chinese and others blended in. My neighborhood is primarily a Filipino neighborhood. So there is some acclimation you take since you live in an area that has different values and traditions then you do. I also have visited Japan a bit and appreciate a lot of the differences between America and Japan.
Re: NPB Draft
[ Author: Guest: Jeff Matlock | Posted: Jun 13, 2002 9:44 AM ]

MLB can sign a 16 year old prospect only if he has a foreign (read: Dominican) passport. The US legal system would be all over them if they tried to sign a 16 year old American -- or a 16 year old Japanese, for that matter. As I say, the whole issue of foreign players coming to MLB gives me culture shock, Kalervo Oberg's term of respect for those who recognize differences between societies. One can attempt to overcome such differences, as the Ichiro Suzukis and Lee Brothers of the baseball world have done. Given the different 'ground rules' of today's nation-states, however, is it any wonder that more Japanese NPY players don't make the long jump to Stateside baseball?
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