Keishi Suzuki
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Re: Keishi Suzuki
[ Author: Guest: Jim Albright | Posted: Jan 17, 2004 3:01 AM
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He's a lefty. One of the files (or more) from baseballguru.com does have a symbol (an asterisk, I think) for lefties. I think I'd go with Carlton.
A word of caution: Suzuki is one guy who drops seriously in ranking in the new system, as pitchers are rated largely on how many marginal runs they prevent (see Bill James' short form Win Shares for details), and Suzuki, while still a Japanese great, doesn't do as well in that approach. He piled up a lot of points for being a strikeout pitcher in the other system, and strikeouts per se aren't going to help in the new system.
Jim Albright
A word of caution: Suzuki is one guy who drops seriously in ranking in the new system, as pitchers are rated largely on how many marginal runs they prevent (see Bill James' short form Win Shares for details), and Suzuki, while still a Japanese great, doesn't do as well in that approach. He piled up a lot of points for being a strikeout pitcher in the other system, and strikeouts per se aren't going to help in the new system.
Jim Albright
Re: Keishi Suzuki
[ Author: GottaHaveWa | Posted: Jan 20, 2004 12:37 PM
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But Carlton does rank pretty well. Should we consider someone with a lot of strikeouts but not that high of a ranking? (Ryan, Sutton, Perry, Lolich, Tanana, Koosman, ...)
Re: Keishi Suzuki
[ Author: GottaHaveWa | Posted: Jan 21, 2004 1:00 AM
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I don't think Lolich/Tanana/Koosman would work because of lack of wins, but Sutton might work. Lots of strikeouts, lots of wins, not that good of a rating because of not that good of adjusted ERA. Clemens and Seaver tend to be underrated if anything
Re: Keishi Suzuki
[ Author: Guest: Jim Albright | Posted: Jan 21, 2004 2:54 AM
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Off the top of my head, Ryan isn't a good comparison because his record isn't as good. I'd definitely leave out the non-HOFers, as Suzuki is still a bona fide Japanese HOF caliber player. Sutton isn't the correct hand, but he may bear some looking into.
Jim Albright
Jim Albright
Re: Keishi Suzuki
[ Author: seiyu | Posted: Jan 29, 2004 5:50 AM
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He was the main reason why Nomo decided to jump to the MLB. He hated him as the manager of the Buffaloes.
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Suzuki "...finish[ed] 4th in innings pitched, 4th in wins, and 4th in strikeouts." This appears to correlate to anyone from Ferguson Jenkins to Gaylord Perry to Phil Niekro. But since Suzuki is the third highest rated pitcher in Pro Yakyu, I think a better correlation might be to someone like Roger Clemens, Tom Seaver, Warren Spahn, or Steve Carlton.
Again I don't know which hand Suzuki pitched with, so you can narrow it down more with that. Awating your comments.
My next correlation won't be until at least Tuesday.