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Power, Stadiums, and Some Surprises

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Power, Stadiums, and Some Surprises
Okay, I'm sure someone has done this comparison somewhere before (certainly ShuBe's Chiba-san has done some articles on the subject), but the discussion about the Baseball America article got me wondering. Just how did the size of Japanese ballparks compare to the Major League ballparks? Would Matsui Hideki's homerun power really turn into doubles power if he crossed over? To be truthful, I expected to find that Matsui played in parks comparable to Major League parks. I was surprised at the results.

Using Latham-san's site for data on the Japanese stadiums (and checking Seibu's webpage for the renovated Seibu Dome's dimensions) and www.ballparksofbaseball.com for data on the major league parks, I entered all the dimensions for the various parks into an Excel sheet and averaged the dimensions for each league. I grouped American League and National League parks together, but kept Central League and Pacific League parks apart. My reasoning was that a player crossing over could play in either league, while for comparison purposes I wanted to keep Ce-League and Pa-League players seperate.

I wanted to show all the data in my article here, but I'm afraid I'm not slick enough with HTML to put together tables. I'll try to summarize the results, instead, and I apologize for not having the info for all to see. Perhaps I can email Westbay-san the Excel file and he can archive it somewhere on the site.

First, a rundown of Major League parks. Neither league seems to have a monopoly on pitchers parks or hitters parks, although the two biggest parks (Safeco Field and Comerica Park) are in the American league, while MLB's premier bandboxes (Coors Field and Enron Field) are in the National League. Comerica Park is the biggest MLB park measuring 346 ft down the left field line, 402(!) ft to left-center, 422(!) ft to straight-away center, 379 ft to right-center, and 330 ft down the right field line. For small ballparks, Fenway is the shortest down the line (L-310 ft, R-302 ft), Enron Field and Wrigley Field have the shortest power alleys (Enron goes 362 ft to left-center, while Wrigley goes 368 to both left-center and right-center), and Cinergy Park is shortest to straight-away center at 393 ft. In general, parks with shallow corners tend to get very deep in center field. (As a Cubs fan, I found it interesting that while Wrigley's power alleys are short, it has the deepest corners of all Major League parks.

The average Major League Park comes out to this: LF-330, LC-382, C-406, RC-377, RF-327. I think those numbers give a good idea of what "Major League" dimensions are, give or take 10 feet. The greatest variations in depth tend to be in the left-field alleys, and the majority of stadiums favor the left-handed pull hitter, either in the alleys or down the line.

I compared these numbers to the Central League data. The Tokyo Dome translates as a Major League size stadium, but a small one. It measures 328 ft down the lines, 361 down the alleys, and 400 feet to straight away center. I recall Chiba-san demonstrating in a ShuBe article that while the corners were deeper than Korakuen, the power alleys actually measure the same distance. There is no Major League park with comparably shallow power alleys. But! It should most definitely be noted that Tokyo Dome's walls are much higher than most Major League parks' walls. According to Latham-san's site, Tokyo Dome's outfield walls are 14 feet high. Any ball going out is going to need some carry.

Once we leave the Tokyo Dome, the case for Matsui Hideki grows tougher. The only other Central League stadium with Major League dimension is Nagoya Dome. Nagoya Dome measures 328 ft in the corners, 380 ft in the alleys, and 400 ft to center field. This is an average sized Major League stadium. Plus, Nagoya Dome also has huge walls, measuring 16 feet tall. This would put it in the pitchers' park category. If a Chunichi Dragon ever leads the league in homers, rest assured he has some ungodly power.

However, Hiroshima Municipal, Jingu, and Yokohama are all much smaller than a standard Major League park. None of them reach 400 ft in center, and have shorter power alleys than Wrigley. Koshien is also very short down the lines and in center, however, Koshien has deeeeeeep power alleys. At 390 ft, they are deeper than in any Major League park. A few MLB parks reach 390 ft in one alley, but not the other. Comerica is 402 ft to left-center, but a mere 379 ft to right-center. Bass must have been hitting them a ton.

So, what does this mean for Matsui Hideki? I'm still not convinced that his power numbers would drop in the Majors, if he went. When Godzilla goes yard, there's no doubt. He's smacked the Tokyo Dome backwall more than once. The high walls of Tokyo Dome and Nagoya Dome are also a factor. He'd have a longer schedule in the majors. Plus, since the average fastball speed is higher in the majors, it would not be out of line to assume that his home runs would travel even further. I don't think 40 would be an exaggeration, and I don't think 50 would be impossible.

Now, what really fascinated me was the Pacific League. After looking at the numbers, I think they've given new validation to Tuffy Rhodes' accomplishment (though I think the ball's been made lively) and now I'm convinced that Matsunaka has all the power a Major League manager would ever want in a first baseman. Keep in mind that last year he went yard 33 times while hitting .312, and this year he hit 36 homers with a .334 average.

The Pa League stadium averages are 327 ft to the corners, 374 ft down the alleys, and 400 ft to straight-away center. But these numbers are in fact brought down by the Tokyo Dome's shallow power alleys. If you remove Tokyo Dome, the averages for the corners and centerfield remain the same, but the power alleys jump to 387 ft. This is much deeper than the average Major League power alley. On top of this, all Pa League stadiums have huge outfield walls. Seibu's fence varies, but it's possible to rob a batter of a homerun there. However, Green Stadium's fence is 13 feet high, the Marine Stadium fence measures 14 feet high, and Osaka Dome's fence measures 16 feet high. But the pitchers' park of pitchers' parks is in Fukuoka. It's generous dimensions are 328 ft to the corners, 400 ft to center, and 387 ft down the alleys. Added to all this is a 19(!) foot high fence. There are no cheap homeruns in the Pacific League, and Matsunaka has earned every one of his jacks. If he can hit 30+ while playing half his games in the Fukuoka Dome...jeez, I shudder to think of what he'd do in Fenway or Wrigley. Iguchi and Jojima also hit 30+ this year, but since they've never done it before, I'm not sure it's not because of the livelier ball. Kokubo hit 44 this year and has hit 30 before, but I'm thinking he's benefitted from the livelier ball. But Matsunaka, he hit over 30 last year, when the ball was less lively, and of all the 30+ homers players except Bolick, he did it in the fewer number of at-bats (475). Plus, he also hit .334 this year. All this in a stadium with a deeper right field (from alley to line) than any in Major League baseball and oodles of foul ground. Ladies and gentlemen, I think Matsunaka Nobuhiko may just be the most underrated power hitter in the baseball world. With that kind of consistant production in the league he plays in, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that he is a better slugger than Matsui Hideki. Put him in the Major Leagues in an average sized park with the standard short left-field, with a longer schedule and plenty of 90+ fastballs to feast on on 2-0, 3-1 counts, and he'd be a top echelon hitter, in a class with Griffey and Sosa.

When I lived in Japan, I was often upset that Fukuoka Hawks games would often be shown, but not BlueWave or Buffaloes games. I'd still like to see Orix and Kintetsu games, but now I think I'd be very interested in a Hawks game. I could hardly pass up a chance to watch such a premier slugger...
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Stadium Comparisons
[ Author: westbaystars | Posted: Oct 20, 2001 2:59 PM | YBS Fan ]

Always happy to reformat data in HTML, here are the comparisons to the numbers presented:
 MLBCLPLTokyo
Dome
Nagoya
Dome
Fukuoka
Dome
Left
L-C
Center
R-C
Right
Height
330
382
406
377
327
-
328
361
400
361
328
-
327
374
400
374
327
-
328
361
400
361
328
14
328
380
400
380
328
16
328
387
400
387
328
19


All deminsions are in feet, which confuse me, but...

Notice that Japanese stadiums are all semetrical? That's one of the things that always surprises me when I see MLB games, that one side is shorter than the other. It does give the stadium a little more character, though.
Re: Power, Stadiums, and Some Surprises
[ Author: EvilEuro | Posted: Oct 20, 2001 9:26 PM ]

Thanks for doing the research. I'd been looking for that data forever and was just too damned lazy to compile the tables.

I didn't realize what caverns that the PL park were, but it's rather understandable considering that they play in the newer parks (Seibu Dome, Fukuoka Dome, Osaka Dome). I knew that the Egg Dome was short in the alleys, but I always felt that the high fences there made up for that since I've rarely seen many popups get out of the yard (although I've seen quite a few hit the wall for a double).

All of that data being said though, I tend to agree that Hideki Matsui would probably put up the same numbers here as he does in Japan. He's a damned good ballplayer who would/will make adjustments. While the "deeper" fences here might take away a few home runs over the course of the year, the longer season and his demonstrated power would more than make up for it in the end.

I don't see him being a 50 homer guy. While it does appear that everyone in the modern day, 'roided up, pitching thin Major Leagues has a legit shot at 50 home runs, I see him as more of a high 30's to low 40's home run hitter with a lot of doubles and the occasional triple thrown in here and there. He has a smoother swing than people realize and would end up hitting a lot of bullet doubles and a lot of line shots that end up home runs also, as well as his no-doubt moon shots that would leave any yard but the Grand Canyon.

Where I really think that he will succeed against expectations is against left-handed pitching. He sees it all the time, he gets left-handed relievers brought in against him on a regular basis and I can't recall how many home runs I've seen the guy hit against lefties, but it's a lot. I think that's the one part that will take people by surprise since most people don't expect lefties to be able to hit lefties.

I also agree about it validating Matsunaka's numbers too.

Now stop posting stuff that I agree with.

EvilEuro
Stadium Dimentions
[ Author: CFiJ | Posted: Oct 21, 2001 3:40 PM ]

I had my brother-in-law show me how to do some simple tables, and proceeded to recreate my compilation of stadium data. I found a different website, www.ballparks.com, which I felt gave more accurate figures, as well as fence heights. I thus included fence heights in these following tables. I did not bother to average the fence heights, since the trend in Major League parks these days is a wide variation of fence heights within parks themselves, rather than Japanese-style uniform heights. Eight feet does appear to be a common height for part or all of Major League outfield fences. At any rate, I include fence heights so that the reader can make their own inferences.

Major League Ballparks


MLB BallparkLeft
Field
Left
Center
Center
Field
Right
Center
Right
Field
LF FenceCF FenceRF Fence
Ballpark at Arlington3343884003813251488
Bank One Ballpark3303744073743347?7?7?
Busch Stadium330372402372330888
Camden Yards3373764073913207725
Cinergy Field3253703933733258408
Comerica Park34640242237933088?
Comiskey Park II330377400372335888
Coors Field3473904153753508817
Dodger Stadium330385395385330888
Edison Int'l Field3303654063653308818
Enron Field3153624353733262197
Fenway Park31037942038030237.178.753.42
H.H.H. Metrodome3433854083673277723
Jacobs Field3253704053753251988
Kauffman Stadium330375400375330999
Miller Park3423744003783558-128-128-12
Network Associate Coliseum330375400375330888
Olympic Stadium325375404375325121212
Pacific Bell Park33536440442030781125
PNC Park32538639937532061021
Pro Player Stadium3303854343853458(33)88
Qualcomm Stadium3273704053703308.58.58.5
Safeco Field331390405386326888
Shea Stadium338378410378338888
SkyDome328375400375328101010
Tropicana Field3153704043703228.58.58.5
Turner Field335380401390330888
Veterans Stadium330371408371330121212
Wrigley Field355368400363353161115.5
Yankee Stadium31839940838531481310
Averages331377407378330---


Note: While the majority of Pro Player Stadium's outfield fences are 8 ft high, a sectional 33 foot high scoreboard sits on the left field wall. No reliable figures could be found for Bank One Ballpark and Comerica Park fence heights.

Source: www.ballparks.com.

Nippon Professional Baseball Ballparks


Central League BallparkLeft
Field
Left
Center
Center
Field
Right
Center
Right
Field
LF FenceCF FenceRF Fence
Koshien3153903943903159.89.89.8
Jingu Stadium298367394367298888
Tokyo Dome328361400361328131313
Nagoya Dome32838040038032816.516.516.5
Hiroshima Municipal3003603803603008.58.58.5
Yokohama Stadium31036538636531016.516.516.5
Averages317374.5397374.5317---


Pacific League BallparkLeft
Field
Left
Center
Center
Field
Right
Center
Right
Field
LF FenceCF FenceRF Fence
Osaka Dome32838440038432815.715.715.7
Green Stadium325384400384325131313
Seibu Dome330--402--33010.5-1410.5-1410.5-14
Tokyo Dome328361400361328131313
Marine Stadium326380400380326131313
Fukuoka Dome328387400387328191919
Averages327379400379327---
Averages w/o Tokyo Dome327384400.5384327---


Notes: Figures for Seibu Dome's power alleys could not be found. Given the shape of the outfield, they are certainly deeper than Tokyo Dome's, most likely 375+.
Re: Power, Stadiums, and Some Surprises
[ Author: CFiJ | Posted: Oct 24, 2001 5:44 AM ]

I'm not trying to beat a dead horse, but after making some inquiries, I was able to get numbers for Seibu Dome's power alleys. They are supposed to be 116 meters away from home plate, which comes out to 380.5 feet. This doesn't changes the averages much; including Tokyo Dome there is no appreciable difference. Without Tokyo Dome, the average Pa League power alley comes to 383 feet, instead of 384.

You know, considering how spacious the Pa League parks are and how much foul ground they have, I'm more amazed than ever at Ichiro's ability to hit over .380. On turf and skin infields, no less, which would take away some of his infield hits.
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